Ga Cheerleading Vent
General Sports Discussions => General Discussion For All Sports Categories => Topic started by: OnThisDayIseeClearly on November 01, 2013, 12:03:39 AM
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But I'm going to do it again. November 9 is the state cross country finals, state one act play finals, and region cheerleading competitions for schools. I think it's inexcusable to have that much stuff packed into one day. It's grossly unfair to small schools.
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That sure is a lot going on. Hard for small schools to send fans. Understandable. Not sure what can be done because dates become limited and you really don't want to try and have these events in the middle of the week. Travel and school reasons.
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One I've said before but will say again. Move cheerleading out from the fall. I say it only got moved to kiss up to All Stars. That's not a legitimate reason. Get cheerleading out of the early fall and back toward late winter, problem solved.
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That's true as far as dates are concerned. But I believe the battle will be All-Stars. I'm not for or against but for many places, the sad truth, if left with the decision, they would pick all-stars.
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That's true as far as dates are concerned. But I believe the battle will be All-Stars. I'm not for or against but for many places, the sad truth, if left with the decision, they would pick all-stars.
You'd see a drop in talent in the atlanta area schools for sure, south wouldn't be a big problem.
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One I've said before but will say again. Move cheerleading out from the fall. I say it only got moved to kiss up to All Stars. That's not a legitimate reason. Get cheerleading out of the early fall and back toward late winter, problem solved.
There will still be conflict issues no matter what season it is in.
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There will still be conflict issues no matter what season it is in.
In winter, there's basketball. No one act, no softball, no cross country. This conflict didn't become so awful until they moved cheerleading to the fall. Nevermind how many schools have tired squads on Saturdays because of cheering on Fridays.
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That's true as far as dates are concerned. But I believe the battle will be All-Stars. I'm not for or against but for many places, the sad truth, if left with the decision, they would pick all-stars.
Well, let them. Like with any sport, competition cheerleading is representing the school. If they don't want to because of all stars, let them go. Just like if someone would rather play travel softball than for their school, so be it.
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That's true as far as dates are concerned. But I believe the battle will be All-Stars. I'm not for or against but for many places, the sad truth, if left with the decision, they would pick all-stars.
Well, let them. Like with any sport, competition cheerleading is representing the school. If they don't want to because of all stars, let them go. Just like if someone would rather play travel softball than for their school, so be it.
But then there comes the Lay coach conflict. If it wasn't for some of these all star gyms being around, a lot of these schools would be a hot mess and injuries galore. Maybe if there were proper requirements for teachers being a cheerleading coach at school it wouldn't be an issue. All star cheer is too much involved with GHSA cheer and to take that away would take a HUGE chunk out of GHSA cheer. Columbus and Atlanta area where most of these dominating schools(with the few in middle and south) are and almost every school is involved with an allstar gym. As a matter of fact i am almost certain every school that has a competitive cheer team in columbus is involved with united cheerleading.
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But then there comes the Lay coach conflict. If it wasn't for some of these all star gyms being around, a lot of these schools would be a hot mess and injuries galore. Maybe if there were proper requirements for teachers being a cheerleading coach at school it wouldn't be an issue. All star cheer is too much involved with GHSA cheer and to take that away would take a HUGE chunk out of GHSA cheer. Columbus and Atlanta area where most of these dominating schools(with the few in middle and south) are and almost every school is involved with an allstar gym. As a matter of fact i am almost certain every school that has a competitive cheer team in columbus is involved with united cheerleading.
I've been around competition cheerleading for many years. And I can tell you that I see more knees wrapped, ankles wrapped, and generally more injuries. I see more squads struggling on Saturdays. Because many of them are made up of tired girls who've had to cheer for football on Friday night.
You do raise a valid point about coaching requirements. It'd be like a running club coach being involved with cross country or track. A travel softball coach helping with the softball team. Why is cheerleading different?
Given how bad some regions are, squads don't need United Cheerleading to get to Columbus. Decisions that affect the entire sport shouldn't be based upon certain areas.
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Cheerleading is becoming a more difficult sport. The bar raises each therefore more injuries are bound to happen. I would say high school being on hard mat is the prime reason of these injuries more than cheering a football game the day before.
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Cheerleading is becoming a more difficult sport. The bar raises each therefore more injuries are bound to happen. I would say high school being on hard mat is the prime reason of these injuries more than cheering a football game the day before.
The body has more wear and tear. Practicing for Friday nights and Saturday mornings. Doing jumps and some standing tumbling on hard ground. It's simple physiology. Doing more in a shorter amount of time is going to lead to more wear and tear. I say that the season being in the middle of football does add to injuries.
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I can see both sides of the issue. My question is why does cheerleading need to have the longest season? Having a season that starts when school gets out for camps and continues into Feb or March causes injuries as well. I know several years ago this is how it was no less injuries and girls were also involved in football and basketball cheerleading. I am not sure there is an easy solution to this but for the schools I know extending the season doesn't make sense.
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I can see both sides of the issue. My question is why does cheerleading need to have the longest season? Having a season that starts when school gets out for camps and continues into Feb or March causes injuries as well. I know several years ago this is how it was no less injuries and girls were also involved in football and basketball cheerleading. I am not sure there is an easy solution to this but for the schools I know extending the season doesn't make sense.
Competition season used to be from late November/December to February. There was a break for Christmas. And no, there weren't as many injuries. Because the Christmas break provided rest time. Also: cheering at a basketball game isn't as physically demanding as football.
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Not real sure where you are from but there was not a time when the girls were "off". I know that lots of schools practiced during the breaks and even though basketball may not be as demanding "physically" - having to cheer at 3 games during the week - which included Saturdays after competitions and then trying to fit in practices on the other days did lead to exhaustion for girls. I am going off of what I experienced. Injuries were greater during a time when the actual season lasted through football and basketball - exhaustion leads to many injuries.
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Not real sure where you are from but there was not a time when the girls were "off". I know that lots of schools practiced during the breaks and even though basketball may not be as demanding "physically" - having to cheer at 3 games during the week - which included Saturdays after competitions and then trying to fit in practices on the other days did lead to exhaustion for girls. I am going off of what I experienced. Injuries were greater during a time when the actual season lasted through football and basketball - exhaustion leads to many injuries.
And I've been around the sport for nearly a decade. There are more injuries now. I see the increase in wrapped knees, ankles and arms. I see the exhaustion from girls traveling two hours on buses on Friday for football then traveling another hour and a half on Saturdays for cheerleading. I see the affect in the smaller classes where more often there are squads who don't execute as well because of football.
Standing in the bleachers chanting when you're not stunting, not tumbling, and can sit down, not to mention basketball being shorter, isn't as physically demanding as football. I don't mean to be ugly but there is no way to compare football and basketball.
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I am comparing the time it takes weekly not what they do when they are there - I too have been around sports for quite a while both on and off the mat, field and court. Time involved can cause exhaustion regardless of what you are doing and increased injuries are truly coming from the push for increased skills. Since this is a place to post opinions I wanted many to know that there are quite a few people who do not want to change the season and it has nothing to do with All-stars.
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I am comparing the time it takes weekly not what they do when they are there - I too have been around sports for quite a while both on and off the mat, field and court. Time involved can cause exhaustion regardless of what you are doing and increased injuries are truly coming from the push for increased skills. Since this is a place to post opinions I wanted many to know that there are quite a few people who do not want to change the season and it has nothing to do with All-stars.
You're in the minority or don't grasp the strain on smaller schools. You also apparently don't know the difference between being tired and using more muscles. Because physically, it makes a difference.
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I think that the season should be longer. There are some schools that can't (or don't) start mandatory practices until about two months before competitions! Yes a longer season would mean more cheering at games, but that would also allow for more time to recuperate between competitions. I mean now most schools are going back-to-back-to-back weekends for competitions much less if there are games also. Why not make the season longer to actually have a weekend off (or at least a weekend off from having a game AND a competition). I think it would help not only the athletes, but also allow time to rework the routine (in case of injury or just to add new skills). I don't know. I'm just throwing that out there as my opinion. No matter what we say it's still up to the powers that be anyway.
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I think that the season should be longer. There are some schools that can't (or don't) start mandatory practices until about two months before competitions! Yes a longer season would mean more cheering at games, but that would also allow for more time to recuperate between competitions. I mean now most schools are going back-to-back-to-back weekends for competitions much less if there are games also. Why not make the season longer to actually have a weekend off (or at least a weekend off from having a game AND a competition). I think it would help not only the athletes, but also allow time to rework the routine (in case of injury or just to add new skills). I don't know. I'm just throwing that out there as my opinion. No matter what we say it's still up to the powers that be anyway.
Why should competition cheerleaders have to endure what they do right now? Long bus rides to football games on Friday, then another long ride Saturday to a competition. I've attended two competitions this year where almost every squad in a division would drop at least one person. That used to not happen.
There's no logical reason why things have to be so rushed. Why girls are having to give up their summers to prepare for competitions in September. If the people in charge would listen, it could be better.
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I think that the season should be longer. There are some schools that can't (or don't) start mandatory practices until about two months before competitions! Yes a longer season would mean more cheering at games, but that would also allow for more time to recuperate between competitions. I mean now most schools are going back-to-back-to-back weekends for competitions much less if there are games also. Why not make the season longer to actually have a weekend off (or at least a weekend off from having a game AND a competition). I think it would help not only the athletes, but also allow time to rework the routine (in case of injury or just to add new skills). I don't know. I'm just throwing that out there as my opinion. No matter what we say it's still up to the powers that be anyway.
Why should competition cheerleaders have to endure what they do right now? Long bus rides to football games on Friday, then another long ride Saturday to a competition. I've attended two competitions this year where almost every squad in a division would drop at least one person. That used to not happen.
There's no logical reason why things have to be so rushed. Why girls are having to give up their summers to prepare for competitions in September. If the people in charge would listen, it could be better.
Now the summer thing is more than just cheerleading. I have had 2 siblings in softball and football which took up some summer too especially football in workouts. Things are becoming "rushed" now so to speak because of the difficulty increase in cheerleading. 3 years ago this wouldn't have been a problem, but now the scoresheet requires more which requires more training. I do feel cheerleading needs to be longer, but i feel that it needs to start EARLIER. As in allow teams to start practicing BEFORE the end of the current school year. (IE March, April) Instead of after the last day of school. There is going to be the argument that a lot of schools have both a competition squad and a game squad and coming from a 3A school we were able to field both and my sibling going to a 1A private school can field both too.
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Alright just to set the record straight there are lots of coaches who do not want the season to go forever. I have connections to a smaller school and they divide cheer into two squads - a spirit squad and a competitive - the girls have to choose. This helps with participation for the school and allows rest. REST is the key to any season.
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Now the summer thing is more than just cheerleading. I have had 2 siblings in softball and football which took up some summer too especially football in workouts. Things are becoming "rushed" now so to speak because of the difficulty increase in cheerleading. 3 years ago this wouldn't have been a problem, but now the scoresheet requires more which requires more training. I do feel cheerleading needs to be longer, but i feel that it needs to start EARLIER. As in allow teams to start practicing BEFORE the end of the current school year. (IE March, April) Instead of after the last day of school. There is going to be the argument that a lot of schools have both a competition squad and a game squad and coming from a 3A school we were able to field both and my sibling going to a 1A private school can field both too.
The thing is, a lot of schools either can't, or aren't allowed to do separate squads. I do understand your point about needing more time for skills development. I know a lot of softball and football programs have
"optional" workouts during the summer. Because you can't be required to be there, but you're expected.
But with optional practice, is that enough for competition cheerleaders?
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Alright just to set the record straight there are lots of coaches who do not want the season to go forever. I have connections to a smaller school and they divide cheer into two squads - a spirit squad and a competitive - the girls have to choose. This helps with participation for the school and allows rest. REST is the key to any season.
I'm not saying have it go on forever. I'm saying move the dates. Keep the same time, move the dates. Because they'll get more rest with basketball than football. You also need to understand that a lot of schools either don't have the numbers, or ARE NOT ALLOWED, to do separate squads.
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Alright just to set the record straight there are lots of coaches who do not want the season to go forever. I have connections to a smaller school and they divide cheer into two squads - a spirit squad and a competitive - the girls have to choose. This helps with participation for the school and allows rest. REST is the key to any season.
I'm not saying have it go on forever. I'm saying move the dates. Keep the same time, move the dates. Because they'll get more rest with basketball than football. You also need to understand that a lot of schools either don't have the numbers, or ARE NOT ALLOWED, to do separate squads.
I am sorry i just do not see the whole football games being a good reason to move the season. While throughout my high school cheer career i only had to cheer at 3 big games per season, i did allstar and high school at the same time. High school practiced monday-thursday and allstars was sunday, tuesday, wednesday and other girls on my team were also apart of my allstar team. We would go from high school practice to allstar practice and be fine. I really do not think a football game is more demanding physically than competition cheer practices. I just really have to disagree that football games are causing injuries to cheerleaders. Especially when now a days many cheerleaders are involved with other physically demanding sports including allstars.
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I am sorry i just do not see the whole football games being a good reason to move the season. While throughout my high school cheer career i only had to cheer at 3 big games per season, i did allstar and high school at the same time. High school practiced monday-thursday and allstars was sunday, tuesday, wednesday and other girls on my team were also apart of my allstar team. We would go from high school practice to allstar practice and be fine. I really do not think a football game is more demanding physically than competition cheer practices. I just really have to disagree that football games are causing injuries to cheerleaders. Especially when now a days many cheerleaders are involved with other physically demanding sports including allstars.
You say you cheered at three big games? Well, a lot of squads are having to cheer at EVERY GAME. Then turn around and compete Saturday morning. It makes my head hurt that you don't understand just how much of a physical toll that can be.
I never said football games were more demanding than competition cheer practice. If you'd been paying attention, I've been saying cheering at football games is more demanding than basketball. Because there's a difference between standing for four quarters, jumping, stunting, and sometimes tumbling on hard ground and standing and sitting in the bleachers and doing something for a minute between quarters.
You say you had all star practice. But I notice you weren't talking about COMPETITION PRACTICE. Having all stars and competition practice at the same time would be a CONFLICT OF INTERESTS. And I've seen the increase in injuries, and too many days when not just a squad or two, but SEVERAL squads would have drops.
That didn't used to happen before they moved competition season to football season. There's no reason why athletes should have to endure the stress and strain they do right now. I'm sorry you don't understand what's going on.
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Honestly, I believe that the drops and falls at competitions have more to do with the increased level of difficulty in the sport than the Friday night games.
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Exactly, the increase skill level is the foundation for drops on the mat - changing a season is not going to help with that ;)
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I do understand numbers but it does prolong a season that is physically, mentally and emotionally demanding when you move from football to basketball season. Schools are still going to try to prepare for the season and the skills. It is really hard to get kids motivated in a season that offically could start August 1 and end at the end of February. I know from experience kids are more easily motivated for a season that is only 4 months instead of 7 or 8 months. Realize that most schools are working in the summer just to condition and get ready for camp, but the full out season is shorter than it use to be.
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I do understand numbers but it does prolong a season that is physically, mentally and emotionally demanding when you move from football to basketball season. Schools are still going to try to prepare for the season and the skills. It is really hard to get kids motivated in a season that offically could start August 1 and end at the end of February. I know from experience kids are more easily motivated for a season that is only 4 months instead of 7 or 8 months. Realize that most schools are working in the summer just to condition and get ready for camp, but the full out season is shorter than it use to be.
I know from experience that it's not shorter. I know that there are kids who are tired and don't perform as well because of having to cheer for football games. I know there have been more injuries and more times when entire divisions have had drops. All things that didn't happen before they moved the season in 2004.
You seem to think that it's a good thing that there are more demands on skills, less time to refine them, less time to recover from injury, and it's perfectly acceptable for athletes to have a long bus ride for football, cheer, then have another long bus ride that morning. That makes my head hurt.
You don't grasp the very simple and factual concept that basketball cheering is less stressful. You don't grasp the concept that moving the season back would not be extending it. And that by starting it after football, it'd provide something that the athletes need, A CHANCE TO REST.
I've seen the change. And besides being sick of the wear and tear on athletes, the second most sickening thing is anyone who'd actually defend it. >:(
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Wow!!!! Slow down a minute - you are almost sounding like you are personally attacking someone. We all have a right to say how we feel. You are now changing my words around and truly that is not what needs to happen here. You keep blaming the shorter season - it is the rubric and push for more difficult skills that have lead to many injuries. Several people said today that when you change it to basketball season you could potentially lose girls that may run track, play tennis, etc.
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Wow!!!! Slow down a minute - you are almost sounding like you are personally attacking someone. We all have a right to say how we feel. You are now changing my words around and truly that is not what needs to happen here. You keep blaming the shorter season - it is the rubric and push for more difficult skills that have lead to many injuries. Several people said today that when you change it to basketball season you could potentially lose girls that may run track, play tennis, etc.
You would know it. You accuse me of twisting words when it was YOU who claimed I wanted the season longer. When what I have been advocating for is to move it back to where it was before. let it be after football part of December, January, end in February. You are arguing against basic human physiology. Because if the human body has more stress and strain on it in a shorter amount of time, there's a bigger risk for injuries. Eeven if you do have a point, that's even more of a reason to move competitiom season out from football. Because it'd give athletes more time to hone their skills.
By the way, track doesnt start until after basketball ends. And if the season ended around the second week of Fen0bruary, little tennis would be missed. Right now, it crashes into one act play, softball, and cross country. Consider this an insult if you must, but people who don't even know thei seasons and argue scientific facts make my head hurt.
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I am sorry i just do not see the whole football games being a good reason to move the season. While throughout my high school cheer career i only had to cheer at 3 big games per season, i did allstar and high school at the same time. High school practiced monday-thursday and allstars was sunday, tuesday, wednesday and other girls on my team were also apart of my allstar team. We would go from high school practice to allstar practice and be fine. I really do not think a football game is more demanding physically than competition cheer practices. I just really have to disagree that football games are causing injuries to cheerleaders. Especially when now a days many cheerleaders are involved with other physically demanding sports including allstars.
You say you cheered at three big games? Well, a lot of squads are having to cheer at EVERY GAME. Then turn around and compete Saturday morning. It makes my head hurt that you don't understand just how much of a physical toll that can be.
I never said football games were more demanding than competition cheer practice. If you'd been paying attention, I've been saying cheering at football games is more demanding than basketball. Because there's a difference between standing for four quarters, jumping, stunting, and sometimes tumbling on hard ground and standing and sitting in the bleachers and doing something for a minute between quarters.
You say you had all star practice. But I notice you weren't talking about COMPETITION PRACTICE. Having all stars and competition practice at the same time would be a CONFLICT OF INTERESTS. And I've seen the increase in injuries, and too many days when not just a squad or two, but SEVERAL squads would have drops.
That didn't used to happen before they moved competition season to football season. There's no reason why athletes should have to endure the stress and strain they do right now. I'm sorry you don't understand what's going on.
i was comparing that comparing 1 game per week as too having multiple practices and a competition really doesn't do that much. While i may have only cheered at 3 or so big games per season many of my teammates did both and did not have a problem. Changing seasons is not going to help injuries at all.
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[i was comparing that comparing 1 game per week as too having multiple practices and a competition really doesn't do that much. While i may have only cheered at 3 or so big games per season many of my teammates did both and did not have a problem. Changing seasons is not going to help injuries at all.
Giving athletes a Christmas break, and not making them stunt and other things on hard ground during football games then turn around the next day and compete wouldn't help? Putting less stress on the human body wouldn't affect injuries? ???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vxiQ9JCKvE
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[i was comparing that comparing 1 game per week as too having multiple practices and a competition really doesn't do that much. While i may have only cheered at 3 or so big games per season many of my teammates did both and did not have a problem. Changing seasons is not going to help injuries at all.
Giving athletes a Christmas break, and not making them stunt and other things on hard ground during football games then turn around the next day and compete wouldn't help? Putting less stress on the human body wouldn't affect injuries? ???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vxiQ9JCKvE
Football games do not add as much stress as you think...Until you can show me the statistics that football games have caused more injuries in cheerleading i am sticking to what i have said.
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Football games do not add as much stress as you think...Until you can show me the statistics that football games have caused more injuries in cheerleading i am sticking to what i have said.
Doing more at football, then competing the next day is more stress on the body. It's very simple physiology. I've seen the change. I've been around this sport much longer than you and have noticed the difference.
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Football games do not add as much stress as you think...Until you can show me the statistics that football games have caused more injuries in cheerleading i am sticking to what i have said.
Doing more at football, then competing the next day is more stress on the body. It's very simple physiology. I've seen the change. I've been around this sport much longer than you and have noticed the difference.
I've still been in this sport for 12 going on 13 years. Practicing everyday is also stress on the body but we do it anyways. if anything that has more to do with it than football games.
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Football games do not add as much stress as you think...Until you can show me the statistics that football games have caused more injuries in cheerleading i am sticking to what i have said.
Doing more at football, then competing the next day is more stress on the body. It's very simple physiology. I've seen the change. I've been around this sport much longer than you and have noticed the difference.
I've still been in this sport for 12 going on 13 years. Practicing everyday is also stress on the body but we do it anyways. if anything that has more to do with it than football games.
Practicing for football and competition then having to cheer at both back to back has increased the physical and mental strain. As someone who's seen state before it got moved to Columbus, seen more poor routines executed now, and an increased number of girls with wrapped body parts or out, I have seen the injuries first hand. You keep denying simple logic. More physicak stress on the human body in a shorter time period leads to injuries.
You're boring me.:
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I can see as usual this is getting no where - there are always more than one opinion on any topic and it is important that everyone gets to voice theirs without insult.
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Football games do not add as much stress as you think...Until you can show me the statistics that football games have caused more injuries in cheerleading i am sticking to what i have said.
Doing more at football, then competing the next day is more stress on the body. It's very simple physiology. I've seen the change. I've been around this sport much longer than you and have noticed the difference.
I've still been in this sport for 12 going on 13 years. Practicing everyday is also stress on the body but we do it anyways. if anything that has more to do with it than football games.
Practicing for football and competition then having to cheer at both back to back has increased the physical and mental strain. As someone who's seen state before it got moved to Columbus, seen more poor routines executed now, and an increased number of girls with wrapped body parts or out, I have seen the injuries first hand. You keep denying simple logic. More physicak stress on the human body in a shorter time period leads to injuries.
You're boring me.:
that is due to the difficulty increase and being on hard mat. You can take a freshman cheerleader and by the time she is a senior she will most likely be wearing some type of brace.
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Yes, that makes sense - that is the real issue! They are having more demands placed on them.
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You also have more girls who are competing both in high school AND in all stars. These two seasons overlap as far as practices are concerned and many girls compete at region and state on Saturday, then turn around on Sunday and compete with their all star teams. In most schools, girls are still cheering for football (even if it's just for home games) during the fall simply because that's the way programs are still being maintained. The skills required have definitely contributed to increased injury, and this is coming from personal experience; I competed on wooden floors (when state was held in Macon) when having a tuck was considered elite. Here's something else to consider: after any type of injury, there is going to be necessary rehabilitation in order to truly recover. There are many who consider that slapping a brace on and that's it. The continual use of braces without proper rehab and recovery is going to hinder rather than help. Face it- you've got kids (and parents) who want to compete, regardless of what consequences they may face as far as injury is concerned. When you can go to Walmart and buy a brace for any body part imaginable, you're going to see a lot of braces, many of which are unnecessary and do not help as intended. I had a girl once who came in wearing a knee brace because she had told her parents about a pain that she had in her leg, They went to the local pharmacy, bought a huge brace, and she thought she was going to wear it and all would be well. Turns out, she had a charley horse. So, not to disregard the legitimate injuries and braces, but some are serving no purpose whatsoever.
As the demands and skills increase, so will the injuries. I don't think that it has anything to do with a shorter season, because many of the girls are going to cheer year-round anyway with all stars, as even all star programs are starting their practices earlier in the year, as well.
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I can see as usual this is getting no where - there are always more than one opinion on any topic and it is important that everyone gets to voice theirs without insult.
I find your denial of the obvious insulting.
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As the demands and skills increase, so will the injuries. I don't think that it has anything to do with a shorter season, because many of the girls are going to cheer year-round anyway with all stars, as even all star programs are starting their practices earlier in the year, as well.
All Stars isn't offered all over Georgia. A lot of girls either don't have the opportunity or time because they are doing other things.
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I can see as usual this is getting no where - there are always more than one opinion on any topic and it is important that everyone gets to voice theirs without insult.
I find your denial of the obvious insulting.
its not obvious though lol. A high school cheer practice is more physically and mentally draining than a football game and a lot of comp only squads practice on fridays too. There is NO statistics showing that the injuries have increased due to football games but there are statistics showing the injuries increasing over the increase in difficulty. The USASF, which is way more safer than high school cheer, had a big reduction in difficulty due to the rise in injuries.
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its not obvious though lol. A high school cheer practice is more physically and mentally draining than a football game and a lot of comp only squads practice on fridays too. There is NO statistics showing that the injuries have increased due to football games but there are statistics showing the injuries increasing over the increase in difficulty. The USASF, which is way more safer than high school cheer, had a big reduction in difficulty due to the rise in injuries.
If the human body does more tough physical activity in a short time period, more chance for injury. Simple science. And I have a news flash, your scenario is a galaxy far, far away from reality for lots of smaller schools. Because at those schools, the same girls cheering on Friday nights are turning around the next day and cheering at competitions. There isn't the money, athletes, or in other cases, permission to do a separate squad.
As to statistics, I have a story to share. Tonight, I was buying some frozen garlic bread. I had the choice of the store brand or a name brand. Even though there was a ten-cent difference in price, I had no "statistical" way of knowing which one was better or a better value. But I measured both packages and figured out which one was bigger.
In other words, my own two eyes provided all the evidence I needed. Just like my own eyes have seen the increase in injuries. It's called repetitive motion. The human body having to do high impact work over and over. It's simple for people who actually try to understand.
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In other words, my own two eyes provided all the evidence I needed. Just like my own eyes have seen the increase in injuries. It's called repetitive motion. The human body having to do high impact work over and over. It's simple for people who actually try to understand.
The high impact work is coming from PRACTICE 4-5 days a week and the increase in difficulty, NOT from a football game. Injuries are more common due to the increase in difficulty and the lack of qualified coaches.
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The high impact work is coming from PRACTICE 4-5 days a week and the increase in difficulty, NOT from a football game. Injuries are more common due to the increase in difficulty and the lack of qualified coaches.
Insulting coaches who get their squads to state to make an invalid point? Because as someone who's been around longer than you, I happen to see a lot of those wrapped body parts at state. Do you have any shame at all? They are practicing for football and competition at the same time, cheering for both at the same time. That has nothing to do with the quality of coaches, everything to do with human physiology and repetitive motion.
It's so simple for someone who wants to understand the obvious.
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The high impact work is coming from PRACTICE 4-5 days a week and the increase in difficulty, NOT from a football game. Injuries are more common due to the increase in difficulty and the lack of qualified coaches.
Insulting coaches who get their squads to state to make an invalid point? Because as someone who's been around longer than you, I happen to see a lot of those wrapped body parts at state. Do you have any shame at all? They are practicing for football and competition at the same time, cheering for both at the same time. That has nothing to do with the quality of coaches, everything to do with human physiology and repetitive motion.
It's so simple for someone who wants to understand the obvious.
Not insulting all coaches but not every coach who has a team at state is qualified. It really doesnt matter how long you've been around. For more than half of my life cheerleading has been apart of my daily routines. So you are telling me that every cheerleader with a brace at state is also a football cheerleader and that the football games are causing the injuries? nothing else. i disagree with you whole heartedly and i will leave it at that.
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Not insulting all coaches but not every coach who has a team at state is qualified. It really doesnt matter how long you've been around. For more than half of my life cheerleading has been apart of my daily routines. So you are telling me that every cheerleader with a brace at state is also a football cheerleader and that the football games are causing the injuries? nothing else. i disagree with you whole heartedly and i will leave it at that.
Because I've been around long enough to see the changes. And I'll tell you exactly and succinctly what I'm saying. That I have noticed an INCREASE in injuries. More wraps and braces. I've noticed them in the smaller classifications specifically. The ones where you have girls who are cheering at football games on Friday and competing on Saturday.
I'm using simple logic and understanding of the human anatomy to say that the increased injuries are because of the extra stress from having to do both. I've also noticed too many times almost entire divisions at competitions having drops or other performance mistakes. That didn't happen before the change.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-twUCEfzrDk
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Not insulting all coaches but not every coach who has a team at state is qualified. It really doesnt matter how long you've been around. For more than half of my life cheerleading has been apart of my daily routines. So you are telling me that every cheerleader with a brace at state is also a football cheerleader and that the football games are causing the injuries? nothing else. i disagree with you whole heartedly and i will leave it at that.
Because I've been around long enough to see the changes. And I'll tell you exactly and succinctly what I'm saying. That I have noticed an INCREASE in injuries. More wraps and braces. I've noticed them in the smaller classifications specifically. The ones where you have girls who are cheering at football games on Friday and competing on Saturday.
I'm using simple logic and understanding of the human anatomy to say that the increased injuries are because of the extra stress from having to do both. I've also noticed too many times almost entire divisions at competitions having drops or other performance mistakes. That didn't happen before the change.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-twUCEfzrDk
i am still sticking to what i have been saying the whole time and people on here apparently agree.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-twUCEfzrDk
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i am still sticking to what i have been saying the whole time and people on here apparently agree.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-twUCEfzrDk
One other person makes the same wrong arguments you do and you claim victory? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vxiQ9JCKvE
If two or three people hold the same wrong opinion, it just means those people are all wrong about the same thing.
Stick to your argument, I couldn't care less. I've explained basic science and human anatomy, refuted your silly claim about competition practice being on Friday's for smaller schools, yet you continue to think that having competition season during football season is such a good idea.
And for someone who wants to "leave it at that" you keep coming back. Each time though, nothing new. ::)
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i am still sticking to what i have been saying the whole time and people on here apparently agree.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-twUCEfzrDk
One other person makes the same wrong arguments you do and you claim victory? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vxiQ9JCKvE
If two or three people hold the same wrong opinion, it just means those people are all wrong about the same thing.
Stick to your argument, I couldn't care less. I've explained basic science and human anatomy, refuted your silly claim about competition practice being on Friday's for smaller schools, yet you continue to think that having competition season during football season is such a good idea.
And for someone who wants to "leave it at that" you keep coming back. Each time though, nothing new. ::)
Are you a coach or a parent or what. If you are experiencing it first hand then that is one thing. But you're only argument is an ASSUMPTION. You are ASSUMING that because you are seeing more braces at competitions that they are automatically because of football games. Please bring your idea to GHSA and see what they have to say. Do you honestly think they will switch the season around because you see more braces at competitions? What is the difference between basketball games and football games? And cheerleaders cheer at more basketball games too, but yet it would be perfectly ok and not physically exhausting to cheer at those right?
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Are you a coach or a parent or what. If you are experiencing it first hand then that is one thing. But you're only argument is an ASSUMPTION. You are ASSUMING that because you are seeing more braces at competitions that they are automatically because of football games. Please bring your idea to GHSA and see what they have to say. Do you honestly think they will switch the season around because you see more braces at competitions? What is the difference between basketball games and football games? And cheerleaders cheer at more basketball games too, but yet it would be perfectly ok and not physically exhausting to cheer at those right?
Wanting to know who I am. No, I am not "assuming" as you so arrogantly claim. I am using common sense, something you obviously have no concept of. Because common sense dictates that when the human body does more high stress physical activity in a shorter time period, the body wears out easier and body parts get hurt. Common sense dictates when entire divisions are dropping stunts on Saturdays, including squads that have been good for years, there's obviously an exhaustion problem. I've had friends who were healthy and talented cheerleaders but suffered repetitive motion injuries.
You keep bringing up practice. Well here's a newsflash. The extra strain of having to practice for competitions and football during the same week (a reality for smaller schools) and cheering at both contributes to repetitive motion injuries. Body parts being worn out from having to use them a lot in a short time period.
You don't know the difference between basketball and football games? Besides the obvious length, let me again spell it out. Four quarters in football of jumping and stunting on hard ground versus four quarters of standing in the bleachers, sitting down sometimes, and maybe going down to do a jump or tumble during a timeout or between quarters. Less stress on the body. Oh, and did I mention that during the old season, there was time to actually REST. Something this current season does not allow for.
As to the GHSA, like they'd actually care what anyone from a small school not in the north has to say? But what I don't get is this. Competition season used to be later in the year. I simply want it moved back. Away from football. For the benefit of the cheerleaders. So they'll be fresher. So that they'll have time to rest and recover and their bodies won't be put under so much strain. And so they can enjoy more of high school life without fouled up schedule days such as November 9. You oppose this.
Why? There is no logical benefit to the sport being during football season. Yet you seem so in favor of it and have yet to offer any real reason why. You have continued to argue common sense and basic human physiology. Now you scream about my identity in a desperate attempt to smear me. You said people should have the right to express their opinion. Well, that's what I've been doing. And doing it much more logically than you.
Can't wait to hear what gem you come up with next. ::)
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Are you a coach or a parent or what. If you are experiencing it first hand then that is one thing. But you're only argument is an ASSUMPTION. You are ASSUMING that because you are seeing more braces at competitions that they are automatically because of football games. Please bring your idea to GHSA and see what they have to say. Do you honestly think they will switch the season around because you see more braces at competitions? What is the difference between basketball games and football games? And cheerleaders cheer at more basketball games too, but yet it would be perfectly ok and not physically exhausting to cheer at those right?
Wanting to know who I am. No, I am not "assuming" as you so arrogantly claim. I am using common sense, something you obviously have no concept of. Because common sense dictates that when the human body does more high stress physical activity in a shorter time period, the body wears out easier and body parts get hurt. Common sense dictates when entire divisions are dropping stunts on Saturdays, including squads that have been good for years, there's obviously an exhaustion problem. I've had friends who were healthy and talented cheerleaders but suffered repetitive motion injuries.
You keep bringing up practice. Well here's a newsflash. The extra strain of having to practice for competitions and football during the same week (a reality for smaller schools) and cheering at both contributes to repetitive motion injuries. Body parts being worn out from having to use them a lot in a short time period.
You don't know the difference between basketball and football games? Besides the obvious length, let me again spell it out. Four quarters in football of jumping and stunting on hard ground versus four quarters of standing in the bleachers, sitting down sometimes, and maybe going down to do a jump or tumble during a timeout or between quarters. Less stress on the body. Oh, and did I mention that during the old season, there was time to actually REST. Something this current season does not allow for.
As to the GHSA, like they'd actually care what anyone from a small school not in the north has to say? But what I don't get is this. Competition season used to be later in the year. I simply want it moved back. Away from football. For the benefit of the cheerleaders. So they'll be fresher. So that they'll have time to rest and recover and their bodies won't be put under so much strain. And so they can enjoy more of high school life without fouled up schedule days such as November 9. You oppose this.
Why? There is no logical benefit to the sport being during football season. Yet you seem so in favor of it and have yet to offer any real reason why. You have continued to argue common sense and basic human physiology. Now you scream about my identity in a desperate attempt to smear me. You said people should have the right to express their opinion. Well, that's what I've been doing. And doing it much more logically than you.
Can't wait to hear what gem you come up with next. ::)
Logically? I am laughing. The only thing you have said so far is that it is "common sense" that football games are causing more injuries and more strain on the bodies. I oppose this; like i said earlier, why i may have not cheered both game squad and competition, several people on my team did. And never in my 4 years did that have any affect on their body. And several others and myself balancing both allstar and high school competition multiple times a week for 4 YEARS seemed to do fine too. But isn't it common sense that myself and other cheerleaders on my team should be wearing braces? Yes, quite a few of us did, but did that come from straining our bodies at football games? No, as a matter of fact a lot of cheerleaders look at footballs game as little bit of a stress reliever before competitions.
To answer your question as to WHY I do not want the season moved? I did mention that it will take a toll on a lot of schools talent due to all-star season starting up but i will agree that it is not GHSA's problem to build their schedule around a club sport. I could not care what season they decide to move cheer to; my argument to your argument is that it will NOT make a difference. The braces and injuries will NOT go away no matter what season you put cheerleading in. It's the nature of the beast; what we do is dangerous and there will be injuries.
Now PLEASE tell me how I have not said anything logical in this statement. The injuries are NOT from football, but they are increasing due to the DIFFICULTY increase. 5 years ago, straight up stunts, and a 2 8 count pyramid could win state. Now today teams are pushing stunting limits and especially tumbling. Everyone is trying to get fulls as quickly as possible to max out. That is not safe at all especially on hard mat. If you are going to sit there and tell me your argument that football games are causing more strain and injuries than cheerleading itself, than you are insane.
Please keep it coming. The lack of knowledge you think you know is making me laugh. ;)
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Logically? I am laughing. The only thing you have said so far is that it is "common sense" that football games are causing more injuries and more strain on the bodies. I oppose this; like i said earlier, why i may have not cheered both game squad and competition, several people on my team did. And never in my 4 years did that have any affect on their body. And several others and myself balancing both allstar and high school competition multiple times a week for 4 YEARS seemed to do fine too. But isn't it common sense that myself and other cheerleaders on my team should be wearing braces? Yes, quite a few of us did, but did that come from straining our bodies at football games? No, as a matter of fact a lot of cheerleaders look at footballs game as little bit of a stress reliever before competitions.
To answer your question as to WHY I do not want the season moved? I did mention that it will take a toll on a lot of schools talent due to all-star season starting up but i will agree that it is not GHSA's problem to build their schedule around a club sport. I could not care what season they decide to move cheer to; my argument to your argument is that it will NOT make a difference. The braces and injuries will NOT go away no matter what season you put cheerleading in. It's the nature of the beast; what we do is dangerous and there will be injuries.
Now PLEASE tell me how I have not said anything logical in this statement. The injuries are NOT from football, but they are increasing due to the DIFFICULTY increase. 5 years ago, straight up stunts, and a 2 8 count pyramid could win state. Now today teams are pushing stunting limits and especially tumbling. Everyone is trying to get fulls as quickly as possible to max out. That is not safe at all especially on hard mat. If you are going to sit there and tell me your argument that football games are causing more strain and injuries than cheerleading itself, than you are insane.
Please keep it coming. The lack of knowledge you think you know is making me laugh. ;)
Because for the umpteenth million time, you once ignored basic human anatomy and physiology. You don't seem to grasp the very simple concept of more stress and strain, more injuries. You've continued to ignore something that is scientific fact. That's not logical. You keep harping on the increase in difficulty, yet ignore the strain already of having to compete and do football games.
If you could actually read, you'd know what I've been saying all along. That there are more tired girls, and an increase in injuries because of the stress and strain of having to cheer at football games and competitions at the same time. I've been around the sport longer, and I've seen the increase. You might say again it's the skills increase. Well, if you're capable of logical thought, think about this. The sport has increased in difficulty. Many of the athletes involved are already having to practice for football and cheer at football games.
They're now having to do more difficult things for that sport, plus practice for, and cheer at football games. If you say the human body doesn't get more stress and strain from that, you should ask someone to buy you a clue for Christmas. As I explained (which you ignored of course because you do more cherry picking than a game of Hi Ho Cherry O) cheering at football games demands more than at basketball games.
There you go cherry picking again. Because I never said the injuries would stop. What I said was that there would be fewer if the season were later. You're arguing that giving athletes a holiday break to rest and recover wouldn't make a difference. And you wondered what wasn't logical? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YE9S3zQx_2k
You mention three or four people, I'm saying multiple squads. Over YEARS. More years than you've been around. All you've shown is that you can cherry pick parts of sentences and ignore points. But please, don't try to actually refute anything. I might die of shock. :o
By the way, such honesty. "I'll leave it at that" you said. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9U_C_q6WcU
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Logically? I am laughing. The only thing you have said so far is that it is "common sense" that football games are causing more injuries and more strain on the bodies. I oppose this; like i said earlier, why i may have not cheered both game squad and competition, several people on my team did. And never in my 4 years did that have any affect on their body. And several others and myself balancing both allstar and high school competition multiple times a week for 4 YEARS seemed to do fine too. But isn't it common sense that myself and other cheerleaders on my team should be wearing braces? Yes, quite a few of us did, but did that come from straining our bodies at football games? No, as a matter of fact a lot of cheerleaders look at footballs game as little bit of a stress reliever before competitions.
To answer your question as to WHY I do not want the season moved? I did mention that it will take a toll on a lot of schools talent due to all-star season starting up but i will agree that it is not GHSA's problem to build their schedule around a club sport. I could not care what season they decide to move cheer to; my argument to your argument is that it will NOT make a difference. The braces and injuries will NOT go away no matter what season you put cheerleading in. It's the nature of the beast; what we do is dangerous and there will be injuries.
Now PLEASE tell me how I have not said anything logical in this statement. The injuries are NOT from football, but they are increasing due to the DIFFICULTY increase. 5 years ago, straight up stunts, and a 2 8 count pyramid could win state. Now today teams are pushing stunting limits and especially tumbling. Everyone is trying to get fulls as quickly as possible to max out. That is not safe at all especially on hard mat. If you are going to sit there and tell me your argument that football games are causing more strain and injuries than cheerleading itself, than you are insane.
Please keep it coming. The lack of knowledge you think you know is making me laugh. ;)
Because for the umpteenth million time, you once ignored basic human anatomy and physiology. You don't seem to grasp the very simple concept of more stress and strain, more injuries. You've continued to ignore something that is scientific fact. That's not logical. You keep harping on the increase in difficulty, yet ignore the strain already of having to compete and do football games.
If you could actually read, you'd know what I've been saying all along. That there are more tired girls, and an increase in injuries because of the stress and strain of having to cheer at football games and competitions at the same time. I've been around the sport longer, and I've seen the increase. You might say again it's the skills increase. Well, if you're capable of logical thought, think about this. The sport has increased in difficulty. Many of the athletes involved are already having to practice for football and cheer at football games.
They're now having to do more difficult things for that sport, plus practice for, and cheer at football games. If you say the human body doesn't get more stress and strain from that, you should ask someone to buy you a clue for Christmas. As I explained (which you ignored of course because you do more cherry picking than a game of Hi Ho Cherry O) cheering at football games demands more than at basketball games.
There you go cherry picking again. Because I never said the injuries would stop. What I said was that there would be fewer if the season were later. You're arguing that giving athletes a holiday break to rest and recover wouldn't make a difference. And you wondered what wasn't logical? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YE9S3zQx_2k
You mention three or four people, I'm saying multiple squads. Over YEARS. More years than you've been around. All you've shown is that you can cherry pick parts of sentences and ignore points. But please, don't try to actually refute anything. I might die of shock. :o
By the way, such honesty. "I'll leave it at that" you said. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9U_C_q6WcU
This is will be my last response for sure. I promise.
"Because for the umpteenth million time, you once ignored basic human anatomy and physiology. You don't seem to grasp the very simple concept of more stress and strain, more injuries."
Wrong. I get that, but the stress and strain and injuries are coming from the difficulty increase. It does not take that much effort to cheer at a football game 1 day a week.
"They're now having to do more difficult things for that sport, plus practice for, and cheer at football games. If you say the human body doesn't get more stress and strain from that, you should ask someone to buy you a clue for Christmas. As I explained (which you ignored of course because you do more cherry picking than a game of Hi Ho Cherry O) cheering at football games demands more than at basketball games."
You cannot physically put that much stress and strain on your body 1 night a week. If there were football games every night, i would see your point as valid, but the fact that they are 1 night a week is NOT repetitive motion. It is not a daily activity.
"Because I never said the injuries would stop. What I said was that there would be fewer if the season were later. You're arguing that giving athletes a holiday break to rest and recover wouldn't make a difference."
Not practicing for 2 weeks and then jumping into the point where squads should be hitting the routines and getting ready for state would not help the injuries decrease(ill use that instead of going away). As a current cheerleader myself and one who experiences the break every year, it is HARD getting back into it after christmas. In the allstar world it is very rare that teams compete in janurary and if they do it is late janurary.
Our season right now is only 4 months(summer is not mandatory, but once school starts practice is.)
The fact of the matter is, GHSA is not going to change the season because some smaller schools can't have more than one squad. I'm not going to waste my time arguing over something that is not going to change.
I know my "opinion" is valid.
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All I have to say is thank you cheerga94. I have appreciated your input into this discussion. You may know this already but about 8 years ago cheer coaches had an opportunity to vote for cheer season times. Majority ruled. Thank you for your explanations - you seem to have more patience with illogical people than I do :D
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This is will be my last response for sure. I promise.
"Because for the umpteenth million time, you once ignored basic human anatomy and physiology. You don't seem to grasp the very simple concept of more stress and strain, more injuries."
Wrong. I get that, but the stress and strain and injuries are coming from the difficulty increase. It does not take that much effort to cheer at a football game 1 day a week.
"They're now having to do more difficult things for that sport, plus practice for, and cheer at football games. If you say the human body doesn't get more stress and strain from that, you should ask someone to buy you a clue for Christmas. As I explained (which you ignored of course because you do more cherry picking than a game of Hi Ho Cherry O) cheering at football games demands more than at basketball games."
You cannot physically put that much stress and strain on your body 1 night a week. If there were football games every night, i would see your point as valid, but the fact that they are 1 night a week is NOT repetitive motion. It is not a daily activity.
"Because I never said the injuries would stop. What I said was that there would be fewer if the season were later. You're arguing that giving athletes a holiday break to rest and recover wouldn't make a difference."
Not practicing for 2 weeks and then jumping into the point where squads should be hitting the routines and getting ready for state would not help the injuries decrease(ill use that instead of going away). As a current cheerleader myself and one who experiences the break every year, it is HARD getting back into it after christmas. In the allstar world it is very rare that teams compete in janurary and if they do it is late janurary.
Our season right now is only 4 months(summer is not mandatory, but once school starts practice is.)
The fact of the matter is, GHSA is not going to change the season because some smaller schools can't have more than one squad. I'm not going to waste my time arguing over something that is not going to change.
I know my "opinion" is valid.
Ignore practicing for football then having to cheer for games. Ignore better routines and the fewer injuries that occurred when there used to be a winter break. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmoXitqQMcM
Nothing new. Don't know anything about how smaller schools are dealing with budget crunches, don't even carry basketball cheerleaders to away games, yet you think they can afford to have a separate squad and a coach to deal with it. Delusional people think their opinions are valid too.
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Because 1. not all coaches attend those meetings. 2. The cheerleading committee sets the dates for the season. 3. On the off chance you are correct, if the majority thought you should have to live under a bridge, would you think it's a good idea? Or if the "majority" wanted to abolish competition cheerleading? A "majority" wanting something doesn't mean it's right.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gd6aLnPHqeE