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General Sports Discussions => General Discussion For All Sports Categories => Topic started by: Cheerknowledge on November 10, 2013, 10:31:11 PM
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Now that region has come to a close-what are the predictions based off what you have seen?
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After this weekend my thoughts haven't changed too much...
1A Public- Battle it out Trion and Commerce- GOOD LUCK!
1A Private- Mt. Paran and Brookstone should be 2nd.
2A- Jefferson, Coosa, Bremen were all good.
3A- Pierce, Cartersville, and North Oconee are going to fight for it.
4A- Carrollton and Veterans hands down. Alexander and South Effingham should place top 6.
5A- Now I am thrown off with the upset that Whitewater didn't make it so region 4 will stay strong with Mcintosh, Northgate, Union Grove, and Starrs Mill however Starrs Mill won't place top 6. So after if I had to pick a top 6 it would be Houston, Lee County, Northgate, Mcintosh, Effingham, and someone random like Union Grove or Allatoona. I imagine Effingham or Mcintosh will win since they are the underdogs but I think Northgate and Houston will try their hardest!
6A- South Forsyth KILLED IT! I saw it and it was amazing. They really wanted to come back this year stronger than ever and it was great. However West Forsyth was pretty awesome too. Someone from that region will win. So top 6 will most likely be Johns Creek, South Forsyth, West Forsyth, Lambert, Mill Creek, and probably Newnan, Grayson, or North Gwinnett.
Coed- This will be hard because Winder Barrow puts on the best show but Peachtree Ridge and Ola are amazing. Model surprised me Saturday and so did Chestatee. But if I had to pick the winner it would be Peachtree Ridge.
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Good points CheerNerd! I always enjoy reading your thoughts. I am going to set mine up differently. THIS WAS VERY HARD BTW
A Public
Previous Champ: Trion
2013 Favorite: Trion
Could Also win it: Commerce
Underdog: n/a
A Private
Previous Champ: Mt. Paran
2013 Favorite: Mt. Paran
Could Also win it: n/a
Underdog: Brookstone
AA
Previous Champ: Coosa
2013 Favorite: Bremen
Could Also Win it: Coosa
Underdog: Jefferson
AAA
Previous Champ: Pierce
2013 Favorite: Pierce
Could Also Win it: Cartersville (need to hit), Pierce
Underdog: Pike and Chapel Hill
AAAA
Previous Champ: Veterans
2013 Favorite: Veterans
Could Also Win it: Carrollton (Strong Hit and they could take top spot)
***I do believe it could go either way with 1 and 2 in this division if both hit. Both have strong routines.
Underdog: Eastside and Alexander
AAAAA
Previous Champ: Houston
2013 Favorite: McIntosh or Northgate
Could Also Win it: Houston
Underdog: Effingham
AAAAAA
Previous Champ: Lambert
2013 Favorite: South Forsyth
Could Also Win it: UMMMMMMM ANYBODY hahaha j/k, Johns Creek, Kennessaw, West Forsyth
Underdog: This division doesn't have an underdog!!
Co-Ed
Previous Champ: Ola
2013 Favorite: PTR
Could Also Win it: Ola
Underdog: Chestatee
And there you have it! Looking forward to a great weeked!
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I agree with you but in AAAAA I have to put Lee county in there!
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Add Lee co and Creekview to over Union Grove. Are they maxing? All videos I have seen they are not in standing tumbling.
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I agree with you but in AAAAA I have to put Lee county in there!
I do like them....I hope they show up at state!!! Not sure if they max standing tumbling???
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Lee does not max out in standing but they do have one amazing pyramid.
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Underdogs have a way of biting you in the **** when your not looking! :)
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I agree about underdogs- been a fan of Effingham since first seeing them this year and honestly I think it would be great to see a south GA team win it all. Not to take anything away from other teams, but I like to break up the monotony of things- keeps it interesting and let's everyone know that it could be ANY team's chance at any year!
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I agree about underdogs- been a fan of Effingham since first seeing them this year and honestly I think it would be great to see a south GA team win it all. Not to take anything away from other teams, but I like to break up the monotony of things- keeps it interesting and let's everyone know that it could be ANY team's chance at any year!
South teams owned it last year...
Veterans
Houston
Pierce
That's half the squads winning state
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A Public: Trion and Commerce.
A Private: Mt Paran. They are so far ahead for a private school. They could hang in 6A.
AA: Coosa. They look great
AAA: Pierce looks the best to me, but i am hoping Cartersville can finally take it. REALLY thought last year was their year, but they failed to show out at state.
AAAA: Veterans and Carrollton. I really would hate to judge this one if they both hit. They both look amazing.
AAAAA: Northgate, Houston, and Mcintosh are my top 3 and it could go in any order. Houston had 2 bad weekends but definitely brought it to region. Northgate has looked amazing all season and Mcintosh has the routine, but hasn't been real consistent, but in the end the only thing that matters is what you put on the mat that day for those 2:30.
AAAAAA: Johns Creek, South, and Kennesaw. Johns Creek has the difficulty but Kennesaw and South are SHARP.
Coed: PTR, Ola, and Winder. I am a huge fan of Ola, but i feel that if PTR hits, they will take it.
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I know this has been discussed alot, but does anyone feel like teams with 16 should be scored higher than teams with less? If you were a judge would you? If I judged both Carrollton and Veterans back to back I would have to give it to Carrollton because as stated before 4 groups to keep in the air is more difficult than 3 in the air. Both teams are amazing with some crazy talented kids!
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I agree about underdogs- been a fan of Effingham since first seeing them this year and honestly I think it would be great to see a south GA team win it all. Not to take anything away from other teams, but I like to break up the monotony of things- keeps it interesting and let's everyone know that it could be ANY team's chance at any year!
South teams owned it last year...
Veterans
Houston
Pierce
That's half the squads winning state
Pierce is the only south team; the rest are mid GA. I'm talking about the 912 area code ha ha!
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OK, this will be fun!
A Public - Commerce.
A Private - Mt. Paran
AA - Coosa
AAA - Pierce
AAAA - Veterans ;)
AAAAA - Northgate
AAAAAA - South Forsyth
Coed - PTR
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I know this has been discussed alot, but does anyone feel like teams with 16 should be scored higher than teams with less? If you were a judge would you? If I judged both Carrollton and Veterans back to back I would have to give it to Carrollton because as stated before 4 groups to keep in the air is more difficult than 3 in the air. Both teams are amazing with some crazy talented kids!
One word - ABSOLUTELY
Yes it's harder. It's the main reason in high school nationals (NCA/UCA) they have divisions. So their is fair balance. It's crazy that GHSA allows teams to dictate the number of athletes on the floor but then allows them to score the same when going with a smaller number. Putting all injury/not enough people arguments to the side, the simple fact of being allowed less members but still maxing like a team of 16 is crazy. Teams will and are taking advantage of the rule. No one can argue that. In fact, I spoke with one teams coach who goes with 16 in another division and she was actually encouraged by other coaches to go with 15 because it was easier and she could put up her 3 best tops rather than 4. Kudos to that coach for challenging their athletes to perform at what I consider the highest level-16 athletes.
When putting 16 athletes on the floor, one more girl has to tumble, one more basket group (4 people) has to be taught how to work together, one more stunt group has to gel as a unit and be coached up, one more girl in every sequence. It's not easy. The rule makes it so easy to take that one girl out of the air that is giving you trouble and be done with it. And score the same as a team with 3 groups-ok????!!!!!
When speaking of Carrollton-watch finals on Saturday-they and South Effingham will be the only teams with 4 groups in the air. I know this having seen the other teams in finals already this season around the state. I applaud them for their effort!!!
I will step down off this soapbox now to watch the drama unfold hahaha In the division I am connected to, there isn't the less than 16 problem. You compete with 16 or it just looks off.
No disrespect to the athletes, it's the coaches and officials that allow the loophole to exist. May the truly best team be chosen!!
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I agree about underdogs- been a fan of Effingham since first seeing them this year and honestly I think it would be great to see a south GA team win it all. Not to take anything away from other teams, but I like to break up the monotony of things- keeps it interesting and let's everyone know that it could be ANY team's chance at any year!
South teams owned it last year...
Veterans
Houston
Pierce
That's half the squads winning state
Pierce is the only south team; the rest are mid GA. I'm talking about the 912 area code ha ha!
HAHAHA that is South Georgia!!!! When you speak of north Georgia, I think of the Cobb county, Marietta, and all of those schools. Talent rich, anybody else to me is an underdog hahaha
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I know this has been discussed alot, but does anyone feel like teams with 16 should be scored higher than teams with less? If you were a judge would you? If I judged both Carrollton and Veterans back to back I would have to give it to Carrollton because as stated before 4 groups to keep in the air is more difficult than 3 in the air. Both teams are amazing with some crazy talented kids!
I would only give it to the team with 4 stunt groups only if all 4 stunt groups were better than the 3 stunt groups. Like you said, both teams are amazing and it will come down to who does the best on Saturday. Good Luck to ALL teams at Sectionals and State!!!
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I know this has been discussed alot, but does anyone feel like teams with 16 should be scored higher than teams with less? If you were a judge would you? If I judged both Carrollton and Veterans back to back I would have to give it to Carrollton because as stated before 4 groups to keep in the air is more difficult than 3 in the air. Both teams are amazing with some crazy talented kids
One word - ABSOLUTELY
Yes it's harder. It's the main reason in high school nationals (NCA/UCA) they have divisions. So their is fair balance. It's crazy that GHSA allows teams to dictate the number of athletes on the floor but then allows them to score the same when going with a smaller number. Putting all injury/not enough people arguments to the side, the simple fact of being allowed less members but still maxing like a team of 16 is crazy. Teams will and are taking advantage of the rule. No one can argue that. In fact, I spoke with one teams coach who goes with 16 in another division and she was actually encouraged by other coaches to go with 15 because it was easier and she could put up her 3 best tops rather than 4. Kudos to that coach for challenging their athletes to perform at what I consider the highest level-16 athletes.
When putting 16 athletes on the floor, one more girl has to tumble, one more basket group (4 people) has to be taught how to work together, one more stunt group has to gel as a unit and be coached up, one more girl in every sequence. It's not easy. The rule makes it so easy to take that one girl out of the air that is giving you trouble and be done with it. And score the same as a team with 3 groups-ok????!!!!!
When speaking of Carrollton-watch finals on Saturday-they will be the only team with 4 groups in the air. I know this having seen the other teams in finals already this season. I applaud them for their effort!!!
I will step down off this soapbox now to watch the drama unfold hahaha
No disrespect to the athletes, it's the coaches and officials that allow the loophole to exist. May the truly best team be chosen!!
Ok I'm glad I'm not the only one that feels that way! Carrollton is great! I have seen two other teams (South Effingham and one other) compete with 16. I can't remember who the other is, but SE has been fighting the injury bug.
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I know this has been discussed alot, but does anyone feel like teams with 16 should be scored higher than teams with less? If you were a judge would you? If I judged both Carrollton and Veterans back to back I would have to give it to Carrollton because as stated before 4 groups to keep in the air is more difficult than 3 in the air. Both teams are amazing with some crazy talented kids!
I would only give it to the team with 4 stunt groups only if all 4 stunt groups were better than the 3 stunt groups. Like you said, both teams are amazing and it will come down to who does the best on Saturday. Good Luck to ALL teams at Sectionals and State!!!
ONLY?? What if another team has just two stunt groups, do you say the same thing. I only give it to the team with 4 stunts if the 4 stunts are better than the two. Because that is basically the same thing. 3 is less than 4, 2 is less the 4, 1 is less than 4. Translated in cheer world to 3 is easier than 4, 2 is easier....etc. The extra group is MORE DIFFICULT. That is the true argument. Not on what looks the best.
I don't fully disagree, but what is your argument if a group of 4 drops, what if the 3 that are left are way better than the 3 the other team put up??? That is a question in itself, because now the two teams are essentially equal in terms of what is in the air.
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I know this has been discussed alot, but does anyone feel like teams with 16 should be scored higher than teams with less? If you were a judge would you? If I judged both Carrollton and Veterans back to back I would have to give it to Carrollton because as stated before 4 groups to keep in the air is more difficult than 3 in the air. Both teams are amazing with some crazy talented kids
One word - ABSOLUTELY
Yes it's harder. It's the main reason in high school nationals (NCA/UCA) they have divisions. So their is fair balance. It's crazy that GHSA allows teams to dictate the number of athletes on the floor but then allows them to score the same when going with a smaller number. Putting all injury/not enough people arguments to the side, the simple fact of being allowed less members but still maxing like a team of 16 is crazy. Teams will and are taking advantage of the rule. No one can argue that. In fact, I spoke with one teams coach who goes with 16 in another division and she was actually encouraged by other coaches to go with 15 because it was easier and she could put up her 3 best tops rather than 4. Kudos to that coach for challenging their athletes to perform at what I consider the highest level-16 athletes.
When putting 16 athletes on the floor, one more girl has to tumble, one more basket group (4 people) has to be taught how to work together, one more stunt group has to gel as a unit and be coached up, one more girl in every sequence. It's not easy. The rule makes it so easy to take that one girl out of the air that is giving you trouble and be done with it. And score the same as a team with 3 groups-ok????!!!!!
When speaking of Carrollton-watch finals on Saturday-they will be the only team with 4 groups in the air. I know this having seen the other teams in finals already this season. I applaud them for their effort!!!
I will step down off this soapbox now to watch the drama unfold hahaha
No disrespect to the athletes, it's the coaches and officials that allow the loophole to exist. May the truly best team be chosen!!
Ok I'm glad I'm not the only one that feels that way! Carrollton is great! I have seen two other teams (South Effingham and one other) compete with 16. I can't remember who the other is, but SE has been fighting the injury bug.
Glad to hear their are others!! Proud of those teams, again, I wasn't fully aware but definitely props to a south georgia team for throwing out the 16.
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AA- I think AA is going to be closer than we all think! Personally- Bremen (clean), but they do not max out on standing tumbling, and there Pyramid does not look as if it max's out. Overall a good routine/fun. Coosa (clean), they do not max out on tumbling. Overall okay routine but clean. Calhoun- saw them at Region and they looked better from when I last saw them a few weeks ago. Their running and standing tumbling is maxed out.
Any other thoughts on AA?
AAA- Commerce or Cartersville is my pick. Cartersville needs to stick and they could take the win.
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AA- I think AA is going to be closer than we all think! Personally- Bremen (clean), but they do not max out on standing tumbling, and there Pyramid does not look as if it max's out. Overall a good routine/fun. Coosa (clean), they do not max out on tumbling. Overall okay routine but clean. Calhoun- saw them at Region and they looked better from when I last saw them a few weeks ago. Their running and standing tumbling is maxed out.
Any other thoughts on AA?
AAA- Commerce or Cartersville is my pick. Cartersville needs to stick and they could take the win.
Commerce is Public A BTW
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Meant Pierce... Thanks!
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Lee won their region. They will be at State.
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Lee is good but the don't max out in standing tumbling so they will have a hard time trying to win state however they have one awesome pyramid and pretty good partner stunts. I think they will place top 6 if they hit but as we know from the region results anything can happen ;)
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Lee is good but the don't max out in standing tumbling so they will have a hard time trying to win state however they have one awesome pyramid and pretty good partner stunts. I think they will place top 6 if they hit but as we know from the region results anything can happen ;)
I agree with this. Your going to have to max to win or the teams that max are going to have to give you some help on the day.
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I know South Effingham has been good, but I saw a video of them at Regions(http://www.nfhsnetwork.com/events/75709) this weekend and If they had numerous of falls. Good thing their region isn't strong or they might not have been going to state. They also only had 3 groups this weekend. To me tumbling wasn't that clean either! I finally saw Effingham as well and they were as great as everyone has said before..
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I know South Effingham has been good, but I saw a video of them at Regions(http://www.nfhsnetwork.com/events/75709) this weekend and If they had numerous of falls. Good thing their region isn't strong or they might not have been going to state. They also only had 3 groups this weekend. To me tumbling wasn't that clean either! I finally saw Effingham as well and they were as great as everyone has said before..
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Had a rough region day, this is true. However, had many injuries and hospital stays to overcome. Those girls and the girls in their region all go at it with their whole hearts. Placing 4th last year and 3rd this year is a huge accomplishment and even if we don't have a "strong" region our scores are consistent with our personal progress and that is really, truly how you build a great competition squad. Congrats to the Mustangs and their coaches, I am a proud parent of one of these girls and know my daughter's body...and her 3 teeth she got knocked out at practice are very happy with the teams accomplishments. Hopefully we will continue to grow and get better and better, our middle school were 3-peat champions this year and 11 of those girls are 8th graders so we have an amazing "feeder program"! I can not wait to see what the future holds for SEHS competition cheerleading as well as the other teams in our region, who work just as hard. I have read many posts on here and had to just not say anything but this time, I just had to. P.S. I LOVE that we have 16 girls on the mat.
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I love you have 16 as well!!!!!
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I know this has been discussed alot, but does anyone feel like teams with 16 should be scored higher than teams with less? If you were a judge would you? If I judged both Carrollton and Veterans back to back I would have to give it to Carrollton because as stated before 4 groups to keep in the air is more difficult than 3 in the air. Both teams are amazing with some crazy talented kids!
Well you would have to judge them the same. According to GHSA that is. I hope they switch to the 16 across the board rule. I feel as if squads are getting smaller and smaller each year. Before state i didnt really care but this weekend i REALLY noticed it.
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I know this has been discussed alot, but does anyone feel like teams with 16 should be scored higher than teams with less? If you were a judge would you? If I judged both Carrollton and Veterans back to back I would have to give it to Carrollton because as stated before 4 groups to keep in the air is more difficult than 3 in the air. Both teams are amazing with some crazy talented kids!
Well you would have to judge them the same. According to GHSA that is. I hope they switch to the 16 across the board rule. I feel as if squads are getting smaller and smaller each year. Before state i didnt really care but this weekend i REALLY noticed it.
Exactly...I noticed it as well.
It's getting to be crazy.
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Good points CheerNerd! I always enjoy reading your thoughts. I am going to set mine up differently. THIS WAS VERY HARD BTW
A Public
Previous Champ: Trion
2013 Favorite: Trion
Could Also win it: Commerce
Underdog: n/a
A Private
Previous Champ: Mt. Paran
2013 Favorite: Mt. Paran
Could Also win it: n/a
Underdog: Brookstone
AA
Previous Champ: Coosa
2013 Favorite: Bremen
Could Also Win it: Coosa
Underdog: Jefferson
AAA
Previous Champ: Pierce
2013 Favorite: Pierce
Could Also Win it: Cartersville (need to hit), Pierce
Underdog: Pike and Chapel Hill
AAAA
Previous Champ: Veterans
2013 Favorite: Veterans
Could Also Win it: Carrollton (Strong Hit and they could take top spot)
***I do believe it could go either way with 1 and 2 in this division if both hit. Both have strong routines.
Underdog: Eastside and Alexander
AAAAA
Previous Champ: Houston
2013 Favorite: McIntosh or Northgate
Could Also Win it: Houston
Underdog: Effingham
AAAAAA
Previous Champ: Lambert
2013 Favorite: South Forsyth
Could Also Win it: UMMMMMMM ANYBODY hahaha j/k, Johns Creek, Kennessaw, West Forsyth
Underdog: This division doesn't have an underdog!!
Co-Ed
Previous Champ: Ola
2013 Favorite: PTR
Could Also Win it: Ola
Underdog: Chestatee
And there you have it! Looking forward to a great weeked!
I was pretty close to my prediction...the one I was way off on was AA. Didn't have much info on that one...
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Had a rough region day, this is true. However, had many injuries and hospital stays to overcome. Those girls and the girls in their region all go at it with their whole hearts. Placing 4th last year and 3rd this year is a huge accomplishment and even if we don't have a "strong" region our scores are consistent with our personal progress and that is really, truly how you build a great competition squad. Congrats to the Mustangs and their coaches, I am a proud parent of one of these girls and know my daughter's body...and her 3 teeth she got knocked out at practice are very happy with the teams accomplishments. Hopefully we will continue to grow and get better and better, our middle school were 3-peat champions this year and 11 of those girls are 8th graders so we have an amazing "feeder program"! I can not wait to see what the future holds for SEHS competition cheerleading as well as the other teams in our region, who work just as hard. I have read many posts on here and had to just not say anything but this time, I just had to. P.S. I LOVE that we have 16 girls on the mat.
I agree with you about the future of South Georgia cheerleading. The north Georgia teams are not the only talent in this state. Call us underdogs if you will, but that opinion is changing.
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Just for the record West Laurens had 16 girls 4 stunt groups 5 one mans and no falls (Friday or Saturday)- were they as entertaining as Veterans or Carrollton - maybe not but they did not have any falls and by the way had an alternate that had never competed until Friday because of an injury last week. Just saying there are other teams besides the top four finishers that deserve to be recognized.
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Just for the record West Laurens had 16 girls 4 stunt groups 5 one mans and no falls (Friday or Saturday)- were they as entertaining as Veterans or Carrollton - maybe not but they did not have any falls and by the way had an alternate that had never competed until Friday because of an injury last week. Just saying there are other teams besides the top four finishers that deserve to be recognized.
they could be great in a few years in the work on their technique. they really lacked it in a lot of areas.
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I wasn't asking for more critisim - they got enough of that from the judges - I was going by earlier post that someone wrote saying only one or two teams had 16 girls - I think I acknowleged they were not perfect but there are other teams that exist besides the ones that are top 4, and hey they are getting there. It was a victory for them they made it to finals and improved their scores a lot this year. On another note I do think there should be a set number on the floor for everybody, WL barely was able to scrape together enough girls to have 16 and two alternates, then you see teams with 15 on the floor, five alternates and a whole JV squad. Just don't understand GHSA not doing seeing this as a problem.
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I wasn't asking for more critisim - they got enough of that from the judges - I was going by earlier post that someone wrote saying only one or two teams had 16 girls - I think I acknowleged they were not perfect but there are other teams that exist besides the ones that are top 4, and hey they are getting there. It was a victory for them they made it to finals and improved their scores a lot this year. On another note I do think there should be a set number on the floor for everybody, WL barely was able to scrape together enough girls to have 16 and two alternates, then you see teams with 15 on the floor, five alternates and a whole JV squad. Just don't understand GHSA not doing seeing this as a problem.
Point blank-AMEN!
Should be a set number, it's tough to see teams lose when they have an extra stunt out there because it honestly makes it a tougher routine. Not to take away from the winners but it is a problem.
Coaches are being left with the moral decision of placing sixteen on the floor for maximum participation or going with less to win. Not fair to the coach or kids.
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Point blank-AMEN!
Should be a set number, it's tough to see teams lose when they have an extra stunt out there because it honestly makes it a tougher routine. Not to take away from the winners but it is a problem.
Coaches are being left with the moral decision of placing sixteen on the floor for maximum participation or going with less to win. Not fair to the coach or kids.
I wouldn't mind if the number was set at 15. I love the look of 16 but having the 3 extra girls could be a really good thing.