Ga Cheerleading Vent
General Sports Discussions => General Discussion For All Sports Categories => Topic started by: Cheerknowledge on November 18, 2013, 12:45:12 PM
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Here is the pdf file for the final enrollment numbers for classifications.
The next deadline is Dec 2 for requesting the permission to play up a division. Dec 3 region alignments will be posted.
http://www.ghsa.net/sites/default/files/documents/reclassification/2014-16_Reclassification_Classes.pdf (http://www.ghsa.net/sites/default/files/documents/reclassification/2014-16_Reclassification_Classes.pdf)
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Excited to see Cartersville, Whitewater, Northside, and North Oconee in 4A!
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Excited to see Cartersville, Whitewater, Northside, and North Oconee in 4A!
It definitely will be extremely competitive!
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Excited to see Cartersville, Whitewater, Northside, and North Oconee in 4A!
It definitely will be extremely competitive!
So Columbus, Carrollton, Cartersville, Crisp County, Locust Grove, Eastside, Northside, North Oconee, Veterans, West Laurens, Whitewater. WOW.
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Finally would be worth watching! Not taking anything away from veterens this year but when Carrollton and Columbus dropped they basically have veterens the trophy. There hasn't been a strong 6 team feild the last couple a years to make it cuthroat as 5aand 6a
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It's important to note cheercoach has no affiliation with Columbus or Carrollton. I don't want you thinking it is coming from those teams since that is who he pointed out.
In fact I was happy to see the sportsmanship from Carrollton and Columbus following he victory by veterans. Both teams went over and congratulated girls. Shows good coaching in hard times.
Again, I just wanted to point that out before you thought it was a direct attack from those schools because this is not the case. Don't need schools hating each other.
On the other hand, it is his/her opinion so I will allow you to discuss!
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Finally would be worth watching! Not taking anything away from veterens this year but when Carrollton and Columbus dropped they basically have veterens the trophy. There hasn't been a strong 6 team feild the last couple a years to make it cuthroat as 5aand 6a
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The better way to phrase this might be, "in my opinion Carrollton and Columbus had a harder routine and when they dropped it gave Veterans a big door to walk through"
That might spawn a better discussion rather than saying they handed it to them.
That's not my opinion-I'm just saying.
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Please note-being a moderator I have access to where people are posting from based of of IP addresses. It's important to note cheercoach has no affiliation with Columbus or Carrollton. I don't want you thinking it is coming from those teams since that is who he pointed out.
In fact I was happy to see the sportsmanship from Carrollton and Columbus following he victory by veterans. Both teams went over and congratulated girls. Shows good coaching in hard times.
Again, I just wanted to point that out before you thought it was a direct attack from those schools because this is not the case. Don't need schools hating each other.
On the other hand, it is his/her opinion so I will allow you to discuss!
I agree with you 100%, I was very impressed as well by the sportsmanship from Carrollton and Columbus. I actually took pictures of Columbus walking around other teams to come over to congratulate Veterans. Made me cry all over again!! I never thought the post came from either of those 2 teams, I think I know exactly which team (from another classification), but out of respect for girls on that team, I would NEVER say who I think it is. It really doesn't matter, ALL that matters is we all support each other win or lose!! I'm very proud of that team as well and their accomplishments, they were amazing!!!
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The better way to phrase this might be, "in my opinion Carrollton and Columbus had a harder routine and when they dropped it gave Veterans a big door to walk through"
That's not my opinion-I'm just saying.
I know you said that's not your opinion, but wouldn't that be just as controversial? Veterans maxed out and had plenty of difficulty. No other team in 4A through a standing full (I don't mean handspring full, I mean a true standing full) and our stunts and pyramid were just as difficult if not more difficult! I have tried so hard not to be negative at all towards any teams. It's hard when your team is belittled and in a round about way saying their championship wasn't deserved. So frustrating!
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The better way to phrase this might be, "in my opinion Carrollton and Columbus had a harder routine and when they dropped it gave Veterans a big door to walk through"
That's not my opinion-I'm just saying.
I know you said that's not your opinion, but wouldn't that be just as controversial? Veterans maxed out and had plenty of difficulty. No other team in 4A through a standing full (I don't mean handspring full, I mean a true standing full) and our stunts and pyramid were just as difficult if not more difficult! I have tried so hard not to be negative at all towards any teams. It's hard when your team is belittled and in a round about way saying their championship wasn't deserved. So frustrating!
Sorry you must of mis-interpreted what I did above. I was showing that poster how he/she could have phrased what THEY said. That was not me in any way. I agree with your statement about Veterans, no disagreeing here. I was trying to show a better example. I do see where you think that could be controversial but considering his post, I thought that was the best way possible to state what he/she was saying without saying they handed it to them.
Considering it is a forum, opinions and controversy can exist and sometimes encouraged in a funny little way.
As cheerknowledge, I believe the correct winner was chosen for 4A.
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My frustrations aren't with you Cheerknowledge and I'm sorry if it came off that way. I just know that some of our cheerleaders read this board and I would hate for them to think their championship wasn't deserved. Saying the only reason they won was because Columbus and Carrollton had a drop was uncalled for. My wish (and I truly mean this) is for every team to hit their routine so that the best team wins! Veterans didn't have a flawless routine either with the 5 point deduction but we still won.
I want to also thank you for all your insights and positive support for all the teams in all divisions. And I know there will be some controversial remarks...but personal attacks on specific teams is, to me, taking it to a different level. I don't hide who I am or which team I pull for. I'm not ashamed!
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My frustrations aren't with you Cheerknowledge and I'm sorry if it came off that way. I just know that some of our cheerleaders read this board and I would hate for them to think their championship wasn't deserved. Saying the only reason they won was because Columbus and Carrollton had a drop was uncalled for. My wish (and I truly mean this) is for every team to hit their routine so that the best team wins! Veterans didn't have a flawless routine either with the 5 point deduction but we still won.
I want to also thank you for all your insights and positive support for all the teams in all divisions. And I know there will be some controversial remarks...but personal attacks on specific teams is, to me, taking it to a different level. I don't hide who I am or which team I pull for. I'm not ashamed!
Very well said.
Personal attacks on specific teams should be avoided and as a moderator, will delete if found.
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I know it is frustrating to be an underdog and competing with teams with reputations. Lots of times, elite teams are looked at as the better team because of the reputation and it is easy to say that the building team or underdog made it because of other's mistakes. But part of the thrill of victory is the score sheet and knowing what you did. Forget where the other teams placed. Wins and meeting goals creates momentum. My opinion is that cheerleaders not come to this site if they don't have tough skin, but there is no better feeling than reaching a goal that no one else thought you could meet, BUT girls cause drama and like to be in the 'know.'. If they don't relay information to their teammates positively, confidence becomes a problem. Girls fighting for leadership status on their team, many times use comments wrong.
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By no means did I say that veterens did not deserve to win. They went out and did what they had to do to win. I was simply stating that their has not been consistent competition in 4a for the last couple of years. When both Carrollton and Columbus dropped it basically gave veterens the trophy in the event that they hit. (Which all teams strive to do. ) where as in 5a or 6a where a you are consistently battling 7 teams that hit almost perfect routines and 1 bobble would take you from 1st to sixth.
I'm just stating that competition is not as strong in 4a. I apologize if I offended any veterens people. By no means did I want them to feel as if they did not earn their win. I'm proud of those girls.
Now that the enrollments have come in I was just stating that should whitewater and Columbus northside move down it would give more competition in that division and make it more enjoyable to watch.
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By no means did I say that veterens did not deserve to win. They went out and did what they had to do to win. I was simply stating that their has not been consistent competition in 4a for the last couple of years. When both Carrollton and Columbus dropped it basically gave veterens the trophy in the event that they hit. (Which all teams strive to do. ) where as in 5a or 6a where a you are consistently battling 7 teams that hit almost perfect routines and 1 bobble would take you from 1st to sixth.
I'm just stating that competition is not as strong in 4a. I apologize if I offended any veterens people. By no means did I want them to feel as if they did not earn their win. I'm proud of those girls.
Now that the enrollments have come in I was just stating that should whitewater and Columbus northside move down it would give more competition in that division and make it more enjoyable to watch.
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Your exact comment "Finally would be worth watching!" is an insult to ALL teams in 4A, not just Veterans!! There are other good teams in 4A besides the 3 you mentioned. Every single team in 4A works hard throughout the season and are WORTH watching!! I agree with you that the competition is tougher in 5A and 6A, but that's no reason to belittle 4A.
Considering this is only the 4th year Veterans has been open, I think their success over the last couple of years is pretty amazing in itself. Definitely not taking anything away from any other school in 4A! I wish every single school in every classification the best and want each and every one of them to be successful every time they hit the floor. The most important thing we as parents and coaches can teach our children is to be proud of their accomplishments whether they win or lose!!!
I can honestly say I was pulling for your team, because I know several of the girls on that team. They should be proud (as I know they are) of their accomplishments this year, they performed amazingly at State!!
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Your exact comment "Finally would be worth watching!" is an insult to ALL teams in 4A, not just Veterans!! There are other good teams in 4A besides the 3 you mentioned. Every single team in 4A works hard throughout the season and are WORTH watching!! I agree with you that the competition is tougher in 5A and 6A, but that's no reason to belittle 4A.
Considering this is only the 4th year Veterans has been open, I think their success over the last couple of years is pretty amazing in itself. Definitely not taking anything away from any other school in 4A! I wish every single school in every classification the best and want each and every one of them to be successful every time they hit the floor. The most important thing we as parents and coaches can teach our children is to be proud of their accomplishments whether they win or lose!!!
I can honestly say I was pulling for your team, because I know several of the girls on that team. They should be proud (as I know they are) of their accomplishments this year, they performed amazingly at State!!
I never said individual teams were not worth watching. I said the division as a whole. Every girl every coach works extremely hard to be where they are at. I completely agree with you. Instead of taking the comment personally look at it from the angle of a in biased spectator. If you go to another sporting event and watch a team that is extremely talented go against a team that isn't as talented and a blowout ensues. It is not fun to watch. Anybody who is a fan of sports and competitiveness wants to see everyone on a level playing feild where you have to put out your best to win. The top three in your division are heads and tails above the majority of the rest of 4a. That's great they have worked hard. But can you not agree that there haven't been anybody else that has been on your same level. Veterens has done amazing things and I also want them to do well as I work with some of them as well.
Again this isn't about an individual team it's about the level of competition. So like an SEC team going against a Mac school it's not fun to watch unless you a fan of the big boys. I'm all for the David vs Goliath sports story but in cheer it's different with the way the rubric is set up. If you don't have the skills you can't really compete. Veterens Columbus and Carrollton all have the skills to match up with the 5a and 6a schools. But they are in 4a not that it's their fault.
I like tight competition. Since you know who I am I would love for us to continue this talk in person. I do not mean to be offensive. It's just my opinion on a division that I feel is not as competitive as i like. I appreciate you wanting my team to win as this county needs to be supportive of each other.
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Both of you are arguing rhea points. I do see where cheercoach is coming from on a biased spectator standpoint. While the other teams are working hard-you can see a major difference in talent and coaching with the top tier teams.
Ok not trying to put my foot in the argument, just playing devils advocate I guess haha.
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And that is all I have been trying to state. The competition will get better next year that will be fun and exciting to watch if all the movements of teams acctually happen. 5a would be losing8ing whitewater northside Columbus to 4a and lee and effingham would move up to 6a.
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By no means did I say that veterens did not deserve to win. They went out and did what they had to do to win. I was simply stating that their has not been consistent competition in 4a for the last couple of years. When both Carrollton and Columbus dropped it basically gave veterens the trophy in the event that they hit. (Which all teams strive to do. ) where as in 5a or 6a where a you are consistently battling 7 teams that hit almost perfect routines and 1 bobble would take you from 1st to sixth.
I'm just stating that competition is not as strong in 4a. I apologize if I offended any veterens people. By no means did I want them to feel as if they did not earn their win. I'm proud of those girls.
Now that the enrollments have come in I was just stating that should whitewater and Columbus northside move down it would give more competition in that division and make it more enjoyable to watch.
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I am pretty sure Veterans had the highest raw score if i am not mistaken. Even if Columbus had hit they didn't max out so they probably would've placed 3rd.
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Right. Veterens had a 279 raw and a 5 pt deduction. A score of 274 won state by I believe 10 Pts between 1st and second. Which furthers my case in that the division in its entirety is not very competitive. Which is why I am excited to see the realignments.
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It was actually 5 points from 1st and 2nd then 5 points from 3rd as well. After this the drop off is considerably large.
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Wow, I am late to the conversation! I totally see what everyone is saying and both sides of the story! Bottom line is it is a COMPETITION! All the girls worked so hard leading up to State! Of course, it hurts bad when something goes wrong in your routine and the loss of points causes another team to gain the advantage. The winner totally deserved STATE. Was there routine better? Who cares, they pulled it off, hence the word COMPETITION!
With the changes in the divisions next year, we will see some of the smaller teams improving to compete with the larger teams! I think every division is about to get better! Good luck to all teams as they wind down and began working of tryouts for next year!
Can't wait! ;)
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Wow, I am late to the conversation! I totally see what everyone is saying and both sides of the story! Bottom line is it is a COMPETITION! All the girls worked so hard leading up to State! Of course, it hurts bad when something goes wrong in your routine and the loss of points causes another team to gain the advantage. The winner totally deserved STATE. Was there routine better? Who cares, they pulled it off, hence the word COMPETITION!
With the changes in the divisions next year, we will see some of the smaller teams improving to compete with the larger teams! I think every division is about to get better! Good luck to all teams as they wind down and began working of tryouts for next year!
Can't wait! ;)
Well said....that is why we compete!